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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Nov 12, 2009 7:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Port Chester Question for GoP

You mentioned that you went to all of these shows so I had a question about the first one of the '71 run.

I was listening to the epic Dark Star>Wharf Rat>Beautiful Jam>Dark Star>MAMU from this show on the ipod tonight. I think i have this version on there:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd71-02-18.sbd.orf.107.sbeok.shnf

although this is the one to listen to:

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1971-02-18.sbd.cantor-crouch-diebert-gmb.85478.sbeok.flac16

I noticed that as the band was starting to play Wharf Rat, there is a cheer from the crowd. I have troubles believing they were acknowledging the song, since it is the first time Wharf Rat was played and it didn't exist on an album at that point. Do you happen to recall this moment and what or why this may have happened? Thanks in advance for the reply.

If you haven't heard this show, i really recommend it for several reasons. First time for many of the Skull and Roses material, last Mickey show until the end of '74 and the 25 min of music mentioned above is pure magic. These moments are why i love this band.

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Poster: amosearle Date: Nov 13, 2009 12:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Port Chester Question for GoP

Thanks for the recommendation. I'm going to ruin a chair getting the paperwork done during this H2H. I'll get around to the finer points later.

I'm going to try to talk the missus into trying for Leo Kottke tickets tonight at Variety playhouse.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 13, 2009 12:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Port Chester Question for GoP

have a slice on me at fellini's, or, better yet, a drink at the star bar

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Poster: amosearle Date: Nov 13, 2009 1:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Port Chester Question for GoP

You'll need to stay up late to see my Friends in Pardner play the Star Bar some time. They only convene as Pardner a couple of times a year, and its usually a crazy country event.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 12, 2009 8:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Port Chester Question for GoP

I have caught that sort of thing a few times, and I recall we spoke of those crowd outbursts some long time ago...wonder if it's just generic "a song!" which at least in my day, coming out of space, anything would get a cheer! "wake up, here they go!" kinda thing...can you remind me if it is esp spacey and wandering for a minute or two before that point?

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Poster: SkyDawg Date: Nov 12, 2009 8:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Port Chester Question for GoP

Check out these nice visuals of the 2/18/71 Dark Star>Beautiful Jam.

http://www.youtube.com/user/gratefulvideo#p/u/39/d1igVj3w8KE

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Poster: snori Date: Nov 13, 2009 4:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Port Chester Question for GoP

Fantastic ! Thanks for the link Skydawg. Looks like an interesting site.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Nov 13, 2009 12:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Port Chester Question - an answer

I doubt anyone at that show would remember much about the music today....

Often in early-'70s shows you get these "it's a song!" cheers that Tell mentioned when the Dead break into a song out of a jam, or when they segue from one song to another (doesn't matter if the new song is familiar, either). It was kind of like a shared "wow, what was that!" moment for easily impressed audiences....I think often it's applause for the jam that just ended, rather than the new song that's starting; often it sounds like delighted surprise at the sudden change in the music. I don't have specific examples in mind right now, but I remember it happens a lot on '73/74 tapes.
It's nice to hear the early crowds cheering when they find those moments of magic they came for....as opposed to those '80s "we'll cheer for anything" crowds.
Now that I think of it, listen to the audiences in the transitions in the Dark Stars from 6/24/70 and 9/17/70, they are extremely receptive to the jam changes and clearly amazed.

You often hear something similar after the big Playing jams when the band goes back into the main riff, and the audience starts hooting and clapping along....whether out of relief or astonishment, who knows....I suspect this is what pushed the band to really beef up that end-of-song reprise in '72-74. Probably got Donna to holler louder, too.

Check the 8/6/71 Other One>Me & My Uncle, I remember sometimes when they ended Uncle and went back into the jam, audiences went wild.
A completely different example is the 8/6/71 Hard to Handle, where the crowd goes nuts in the jam - apparently this was because Jerry dropped to his knees in the solo. Bet you never saw that....

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Nov 13, 2009 5:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Port Chester Question - an answer

Thanks for the responses. My question was prompted in part by what apparently happened during that H2H on 8-6-71 and I understand what you and WT are saying regarding coming into or going out of jams. However I thought this was different. First the Dark Star segment prior to the Wharf Rat is only about 6 and a half minutes so this is not 20 minutes of PITB jamming before returning to the theme of the song. Additionally this is not like the 8-6-71 TOO>MAMU>TOO where the transition from one to the other is fairly distinct and the opening notes of MAMU are familiar to the audience. To me this is a subtle transition and without knowing the Wharf Rat theme, it could have been easily considered part of the jamming in Dark Star, not unlike the Beautiful Jam that follows Wharf Rat or some other jam that was part of DS at that time (Feelin' Groovy or Darkness Jams come immediately to mind). The applause occurs before the vocals so they could not have really had the "it's a song" response. This all made me think that something in the theater actually happened.

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Poster: clashcity Date: Nov 13, 2009 6:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Port Chester Question - an answer

"This all made me think that something in the theater actually happened."

To your point - they were doing the ESP experiment with screens above the stage and such. Could have been a crowd pleasing visual.

I always thought it was because of how Jerry starts those first licks of Wharf Rat, pretty powerful coming out of a short but sweet Dark Star part 1. Not really the "it's a song" deal, but more like "that's new, and I like it."

Either way, that little suite ranks up there as one my all-time favorites.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 13, 2009 3:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Port Chester Question - an answer

Gotcha; yep, sounds a bit diff from what I was thinking, or LiA was implying...ie, it's either a "great jam!" or "here comes a song!"...so, I can't help, duh. Will look into it with interest!

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Poster: cush212 Date: Nov 13, 2009 4:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Port Chester Question for GoP

Maybe Phil farted???

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Poster: happygoluckygo Date: Nov 13, 2009 4:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Port Chester Question for GoP

OMG! that is funny! and very clever. Credit to you or your staffwriters?

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: Nov 13, 2009 4:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Port Chester Question for GoP

That would make me cheer!

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Poster: high flow Date: Nov 13, 2009 5:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Port Chester Question for GoP

Dust-mask anyone?